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Just had some articles deleted from a blog network
« on: November 09, 2011, 01:34:42 AM »
Always there are new developments. :)

It seemed that using the spun up Article Builder articles would fit nicely with the Article Marketing Automation / My Article Network blog network.

So, I gave it a go. It was working really well, saving lots of time and giving decent quality articles. Win/win I thought.

Overnight most of the articles I submitted and that were being distributed have been deleted from the system for being duplicates of each other.
I can only assume that it was the similarities at paragraph level that are causing the issue as I have never had this issue with content from The Leading Articles.

Re: Just had some articles deleted from a blog network
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2011, 03:37:57 AM »
Hi Andrew

I too was mightly impressed by Article Builder at first glance.  There may definitely be a need to add more writers to the 'pool' to create much more unique content more rapidly to prevent loss of new customers.

I am currently using this as a filler for Senuke X submissions. 

What I mean is, instead of downloading the seed article, we use a small spun AB article but place a generic highly spun 100 word introduction and conclusion around that to uniqueify it even more.

This should solve the problem for my blog networks (I hope) but I will keep checking here for updates and improvement news

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Re: Just had some articles deleted from a blog network
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2011, 04:39:39 AM »
A very simple solution for this would be to remove the duplicate paragraphs.

Comparing articles from The Leading  Articles is unfair. They are much costlier. But, Article Builder articles read much better and more natural.

I am not an AB member; is the spin taking place entirely at the Article level or after the Title and at the Body level?

If there is a mismatch between spun Title and spun Body of an article, individual blog owners can get annoyed.

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SNM

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Re: Just had some articles deleted from a blog network
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2011, 01:01:30 PM »
Actually I think the two ARE a good comparison because they are both ways of attaining the same end.

The Leading Articles content I sometimes use as primary content but have no problem at all with spinning across the interwebs. IMHO they are better than Article Builder content because they are 'proper' articles, about a topic and with normal article structure.
I use three 'Minis' per day with an annual cost slightly less than the AB package (both bought on special offers that were generlly available)

I was hoping to use the AB stuff in a similar role as I do the TLA Minis. The AB content can be spun at paragraph level to a good degree - 10 variations per paragraph is not bad going and is very readable, albeit not structured as a conventional article.

The issue with Article Marketing Automation was that they thought I had been submitting the same seed article several times into the network, which I certianly did not.
The issue is likely that they DID see duplicated paragraphs.

What seems to have happend is that articles which, by the metrics applied by Article Marketing Automation, are highly different each to the other do throw up paragraphs that are the same - which is to be expected! The eye of a reader is going to spot a paragraph duplicated more easily than it will spot only slightly differentiated text that is the output of a lightly spun or hand spun article using their rewriting tool.

I might have a word with the folks at AMA about it but sadly if AB articles are getting complaints from other clients then there is not much that can be done. They may welll agree with the maths but choose to respect the prejuduces of their clients. ;)

In the meantime I will be going back to providing a diet of content all in the same three niches for good content and a good few more for less good content.

By the way, the mismatch between title and body content is an issue for me, not just for AMA/MAN blog owners. I reject submissions to my sites where this happens as I do not want to mislead my site visitors.

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Re: Just had some articles deleted from a blog network
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2011, 09:50:35 PM »
Andrew,

I was talking about USA and not the Minis from The Leading Articles.

Simply delete the duplicated paragraphs from the spun AB articles and replace them with another paragraph. That should do the trick. It's a 2-min job on the Text Editor.

That way both AMA as well as the actual readers will be happy.

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SNM

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Re: Just had some articles deleted from a blog network
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2011, 03:32:57 AM »
No, they are moaning about duplication ACROSS article submissions, not within each one.

Removal of paragraphs duplicated in different article submissions is not really viable in this case because, apart from anything else, one absolutely expects to have paragraphs duplicated in different articles, it is how ArticleBuilder works. However, each seed article has ten articles spun into it, So, for a 500 word article submission there are likely to be around 6/7 paragraphs. So, around 60/70 snippets for each one. If one submits five articles on a topic, the kind of thing I do, that means one is hitting up the AB database for maybe 350 snippets. An observant webmaster WILL see paragraphs duplicated from one article to the next even though the article itself is highly differentiated from all other submissions.

Also, I know that other folks are using AB material with AMA/MAN and so, no doubt, the observant webhamster sees content not just frm myself but from others too.

Using the autospin within AB produces results that are below my quality threshold so it ain't an option for me.



Re: Just had some articles deleted from a blog network
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2011, 04:22:25 AM »


I understand the situation, someone wrote this to me about a similar situation.


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Those who know a thing or two about this stuff tells us that a sensible threshold at which SEs see material as unique is at around 30%.

As long as AB does this for you then you will have no problem.

At the moment the worst you are seeing is around 70 - 75% unique when compared to each other. You have no problems here.

Of course you are going to see paragraphs duplicated, that is EXACTLY how Article Builder works. There is a big database of paragraphs that are mixed and matched together to build articles that have never, ever been seen before and probably never will be seen again. (But, of course, individual paragraphs will show up many, may times but always in unique combinations)

That is why JL noted in the sales materials that articles produced using AB would not be guaranteed to be unique as far as Copyscape was concerned.

If this is STILL an issue for you then use the auto-rewrite facility now available to you.
Or do as I do and use the content injection tool to 'uniqueify' existing content. In the real world that works really well and gives MUCH better quality reading for your site visitors.

 Okay, I just couldn't be mature this morning, but we are having the same problem with content which needs to be addressed as the original advertising for "Article Builder" doesn't hold true now.

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Article Builder is a tool that lets you generate large numbers of highly unique articles in lightening speed.  Watch the video on the home page and prepare to be blown away:


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Re: Just had some articles deleted from a blog network
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2011, 05:28:16 AM »
Andrew,

When dealing with a spun article that has 10 different articles inside, it's still an easy job on the Text Editor.

First put an identification number at the end of each para.

You can sort the paras alphabetically and identify the duplicates. Note down the duplicate para ids.

Now go back to the original spun article and remove the offending paras.

Hope this helps.

Regards
SNM
« Last Edit: November 10, 2011, 06:27:26 AM by snm »

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Re: Just had some articles deleted from a blog network
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2011, 12:02:41 PM »
Okay, I just couldn't be mature this morning, but we are having the same problem with content which needs to be addressed as the original advertising for "Article Builder" doesn't hold true now.

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Article Builder is a tool that lets you generate large numbers of highly unique articles in lightening speed.  Watch the video on the home page and prepare to be blown away:

Yes, the articles are highly unique FROM EACH OTHER -- not from everything everyone else generates.  There is going to be some duplication in a system like that. That's just the nature of the beast.  Don't use AB articles to submit to sites that require absolute uniqueness without doing a copyscape check first.

Re: Just had some articles deleted from a blog network
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2011, 01:49:27 AM »
Okay, I just couldn't be mature this morning, but we are having the same problem with content which needs to be addressed as the original advertising for "Article Builder" doesn't hold true now.

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Article Builder is a tool that lets you generate large numbers of highly unique articles in lightening speed.  Watch the video on the home page and prepare to be blown away:

Yes, the articles are highly unique FROM EACH OTHER -- not from everything everyone else generates.  There is going to be some duplication in a system like that. That's just the nature of the beast.  Don't use AB articles to submit to sites that require absolute uniqueness without doing a copyscape check first.

Hi everyone,

This is my 1st post here.
I registered a few seconds ago just because I wanted to confirm Jonathan's saying.

First, for those who do not know, I am the owner of TheLeadingArticles mentioned by Andrew a few posts above and while I may be seen as a competitor of AB, I do not feel so for several reasons that I will not enumerate here.

I am selling Ultra Spinnable Articles so I am used to this kind of beliefs - that you need your articles to pass copyscape if you want them to have any value SEO wise. This couldn't be further from the truth.

Copyscape is a tool to check for plagiarism - this is absolutely not the way the search engines flag articles as duplicate content. I have ran a small test proving this, for those interested just send me a PM as I wouldn't like to post a link here for my very 1st post :)

If copyscape tells you that a few sentences of your article are found elsewhere, or even an entire paragraph, do not let this stop you to use that article for your submissions. That would be a shame to not use it as Google and the other search engines don't have any problem with that! Look at the article as a whole - is it unique enough compared to the other articles already published? I mean does it have at least 2 or 3 paragraphs different from the other articles found on the net? If yes you're good to go (obviously not with the human-edited directories like EZA).

But if you absolutely want to submit these articles to sites like EZA, then just edit them a little bit. It will take you a few minutes max - all the hard work has already been done for you.

AB allows you to get unique articles in the eyes of the search engines - not in the eyes of humans - but what is the reason you are using them anyway? If this is to get more organic traffic then that's a pretty nice tool offered at a very competitive price!

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PS: Sorry for being off-topic - this is not what Andrew was talking about when he started that thread, I just wanted to confirm that specific post from Jonathan.
« Last Edit: November 11, 2011, 02:41:20 AM by Vita Vee »

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Re: Just had some articles deleted from a blog network
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2011, 07:53:33 AM »
Vita, hi, I have posted on your forum about this Copyscape madness. ;)

And yes, you are right AB and TLA are not competitors, at least in my opinion. If I thought they were then I'd use only one service. ;)

To be honest I do not really think of AB articles as proper articles at all, the Content Injection is where I'm at. However I could see a benefit to AB articles in the applications I was using them.
If folks are doing submissions to my user content driven sites then I'd much prefer to have your articles or AB generated content than the rubbish that most people produce by spinning articles themselves.
I am already seeing AB content coming across the portal, it is actually quite easily recognizable. TLA material is less prevalent for obvious reasons.

To be absolutely clear here, I have no issue whatsoever with duplicate paragraphs turning up. I absolutely know that they will do so and I expect it to happen. The issue I wrote about is with AMA/MAN or, more likely, their users.

I will not be going to the time of messing around to suit their prejudices, there is more than one way to skin a cat and I expect no further issues with AMA in respect of using AB sourced content. ;)

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James, yeah, that was me and I was right. ;) This is a little different situation. Bit the essential truth is that Article Builder because it works from a database of content is always going to produce these duplicate paragraphs.
All I have now done is altered slightly the way I work in such a way that I do not expect to have any further issues with AMA.
We can not expect Jon to provide us with unique content in vast quantities with this system at this price, it ain't reasonable or possible.

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SNM, maybe you do not use Article Builder or do not understand the issue? ;)
The problem is not duplication WITHIN any article. Really, not an issue. No need to mark articles up or anything. The issue with AMA is about duplication ACROSS articles.

I made several different spun together articles using the same root category and keywords. Each of these spun up articles was very different. These spun together articles are then submitted to the AMA network which takes a spin from the seed articles and posts them out to the network.
However it was inevitable that there would be some duplication of paragraphs in the batch of spun together articles. AMA's ever vigilant, but in this case mistaken webmasters noticed that some articles had paragraphs that appeared in other submissions and called foul. They were wrong to do so but that's life. ;)
It won't happen again.

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Re: Just had some articles deleted from a blog network
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2011, 09:30:37 PM »
Andrew,

Now I understand. A solution was never sought and never required.

Regards
SNM

Re: Just had some articles deleted from a blog network
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2011, 05:23:25 AM »
Hi Andrew

Yes I recognized your writing style... (and your name :))


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Re: Just had some articles deleted from a blog network
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2011, 05:46:51 AM »
I have a solution, I think, same job, different method. But sadly I could not see how marking up all the paras in all the article seeds would help. The duplication effect is inevitable duplication and no point to even try to stop it. If the issue was within a seed article then I'd try as you suggested (and moan to Jon!).

What I will do from now on is to rely upon the growing Article Builder database and simply take content for AMA over time rather than in quantity at one time.

Andrew,

Now I understand. A solution was never sought and never required.

Regards
SNM