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Re: Major Google Update (April 24th)
« Reply #330 on: May 29, 2012, 06:31:18 PM »
HJ, the poster could have put it better but he was actually saying the opposite of what you thought. :)

DAAH! ???

Andrew, You are more than likely right in your comment!

However, he says he is a writer, he should have known the proper punctuation for that paragraph! Had he written it correctly, I would not have read it wrong, and if I read it wrong, how many others did?

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Re: Major Google Update (April 24th)
« Reply #331 on: May 30, 2012, 01:44:29 AM »
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HJ, the poster could have put it better but he was actually saying the opposite of what you thought.

DAAH!

Andrew, You are more than likely right in your comment!

However, he says he is a writer, he should have known the proper punctuation for that paragraph! Had he written it correctly, I would not have read it wrong, and if I read it wrong, how many others did?

HJ


Nothing like a nuance to completely change how a sentence can come across  :o

Sometimes these nuances can cost a million dollars - http://www.legalwritingpro.com/articles/D10-million-dollar-commas.php

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Re: Major Google Update (April 24th)
« Reply #332 on: May 30, 2012, 06:12:56 AM »
In a high profile parliamentary debate, the leader of the opposition cut a sorry figure for missing a semicolon in a bill under discussion.

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Re: Major Google Update (April 24th)
« Reply #333 on: May 30, 2012, 06:15:36 AM »
In a high profile parliamentary debate, the leader of the opposition cut a sorry figure for missing a semicolon in a bill under discussion.

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Re: Major Google Update (April 24th)
« Reply #334 on: May 30, 2012, 06:16:21 AM »
I had tried ideas from The Revenge of the Mininet on a site with disastrous results.

The reason? The quality of the site that benefited was of poor quality and was promptly dispatched from the Index altogether.

Just a warning.

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Re: Major Google Update (April 24th)
« Reply #335 on: June 26, 2013, 05:41:21 AM »
I had tried ideas from The Revenge of the Mininet on a site with disastrous results.

The reason? The quality of the site that benefited was of poor quality and was promptly dispatched from the Index altogether.

Just a warning.

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Why bother trying to promote a poor quality site?
What you are saying is the RotM techniques work and that the Googlegods can pick out rubbish and so rubbish does not remain - and that's a good thing, yes?

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Re: Major Google Update (April 24th)
« Reply #336 on: June 26, 2013, 09:33:43 AM »
Looks like it's time to resurrect "Revenge Of The Mini-Net" ;-)


Daft thing is, it is nothing new at all.

All that has happened is a 'generation' of lazy people fed by sweatshops in india churning out cheap backlinks to harness weaknesses in Google's algorithm.
Nothing wrong with it, but now we have to do it right again

And yes, Revenge of the Mininet was a very useful and instructive work. I doubt that any of the folks I knew in the waybackwhen had not got a copy and did not implement at some level its insights.

For those who want to go Back To The Future and learn what folks are going to be selling for hundreds and thousands of dollars, here is the download page for one of the most useful documents you'll find:
http://www.revengeofthemininet.com/rev/


Good points.  The key today will be private blog networks where invitations are required to join the network.  Public blog networks will still work if they are properly moderated by the network owner but will be scrutinized more by the search engines.  It is best to avoid that attention by keeping your network private and inviting web sites that you want in the network to join the network.

These private networks can be free models or paid models but you will probably have more luck in recruiting people to join a free network than to a paid network.  If it was a paid model I would suggest a nominal sum, such as $10 or $15 per month.  It is going to be much harder to get people to pay $497 a month to join a blog network in today than it was in the past.

But blog linking networks still work and they will work well into the future if they are handled properly.

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Re: Major Google Update (April 24th)
« Reply #337 on: June 26, 2013, 09:41:52 AM »
I had tried ideas from The Revenge of the Mininet on a site with disastrous results.

The reason? The quality of the site that benefited was of poor quality and was promptly dispatched from the Index altogether.

Just a warning.

Regards
SNM


Why bother trying to promote a poor quality site?
What you are saying is the RotM techniques work and that the Googlegods can pick out rubbish and so rubbish does not remain - and that's a good thing, yes?

Rubbish sites with rubbish back links can make it to the first page of Google.  They will often rank faster than quality sites.

However it is hard to keep them on that first page after you get them there.  So it is better to build a site with quality original articles that the reader will actually read as that will help you stay on that first page once you reach it.

This is why I recommend using Wordpress "Pages" for the index page of your site and for your quality articles.  I would then use Wordpress "Posts" for filler content such as AB content.  The AB content in the "Posts" will help your site achieve the first page ranking but the quality articles in your "Pages" will keep your site on that first page as readers stay on your site to read it and in many cases will back link to your site.

Junk will give you short term results but quality, whether in articles or back links, will give you the long term results you are striving to achieve with your sites.

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Re: Major Google Update (April 24th)
« Reply #338 on: June 26, 2013, 09:50:54 AM »
I probably taught you the 'pages' thing - I was using and showing the technique back in 2006. ;)
There are other ways to attain the goal these days though.

I was asking about why to bother promoting junk because, unless one has made a conscious choice to work in that way, it is usually a waste of resources because junk won't stick. ,)

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Re: Major Google Update (April 24th)
« Reply #339 on: June 26, 2013, 10:41:20 AM »
I probably taught you the 'pages' thing - I was using and showing the technique back in 2006

Actually it was John Delavera, when he convinced me to switch from HTML sites to Wordpress sites.   

I have been building web sites for clients since 1996, when I started a hosting company and discovered that many clients could not build their own web site nor follow simple instructions on using software to build their sites.  So I add web design as one of the services offered.  I have build thousands of web sites over the years and always had over 1000 personal web sites operating until 2011, when it became impossible to maintain that many Wordpress sites.  So I kept the best 500 and sold the rest.

Last year illness forced me to drop down to 153 sites, which is what I maintain today. 

I did not switch to Wordpress until 2008.  I have always hated Wordpress because it is a resource hog and difficult to achieve exact page design elements as compared to HTML designed sites.  But Google started giving ranking preference to Wordpress sites and  in 2008 John convinced me it was foolish to continue swimming against the current with HTML sites.

And I still hate Wordpress as it is even a bigger resource hog today than it was in 2008.  But I always use what works best in ranking the site, even if I don't personally care for it.

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Re: Major Google Update (April 24th)
« Reply #340 on: June 26, 2013, 10:48:08 AM »
I was asking about why to bother promoting junk because, unless one has made a conscious choice to work in that way, it is usually a waste of resources because junk won't stick. ,)

Some people choose to promote junk because junk can usually be ranked faster.  But it does not stay ranked which is why I advise against having web sites that don't contain at least 10 pages of original content.  Ten pages is not a magical number, it is just one that I feel comfortable with.   Eight or twelve would work just as well.  :)

But Google considers any site with just a few pages to be "thin" sites and will move them down in ranking if you don't add additional pages to them.  Which is why I recommend using AB to add weekly filler content to the site.  I recommend publishing it on "Posts" where a Page is selected as the index page so it doesn't show up on the main page of the site  since it is "tips" based content.