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Sorry - Another Results Interpretation Question...
« on: June 26, 2010, 08:53:02 PM »
Hi Folks,

I am just not getting this for some reason  ???

I have watched the video and read the 2 related threads, jlforums.com/keyword-snatcher/how-do-i-interpret-kw-search-results/ and jlforums.com/keyword-snatcher/numbers-posted-under-search-engine/

Thanks to Meg for clearing up some of my questions.

Now, I understand where the results are coming from but not how to use them quickly and effectively which is what having tools is all about.

Looking at this screen capture can somebody explain how I can pick a reasonably good keyword from the list of returned keyphrases?



Is the number 9 good and 1 a bad choice due to popularity / competition? How would you spot an ideal longtail for your niche from the number(s) returned.

I appreciate I am probably completely missing the point here, and looking like a complete fool!, so a few tips would be received with enormous thanks  ;D

Ade

Re: Sorry - Another Results Interpretation Question...
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2010, 10:34:53 PM »
If its a niche you are looking for then use 'Niche Generator'.
Then put the niche you like in the 'Base Keyword' field and snatch the related KW people made a search for.

KW snatche is just a general tool to help you get the KW people are interested in so you can write articles around them
and use them as anchor text for your backlinks.

If you  want to analyse the potential of a niche you need WebCompAnalyst. (Another good product from Jon Leger)  ;D

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Re: Sorry - Another Results Interpretation Question...
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2010, 12:21:04 AM »
Hi Folks,

I am just not getting this for some reason  ???

I have watched the video and read the 2 related threads, jlforums.com/keyword-snatcher/how-do-i-interpret-kw-search-results/ and jlforums.com/keyword-snatcher/numbers-posted-under-search-engine/

Thanks to Meg for clearing up some of my questions.

Now, I understand where the results are coming from but not how to use them quickly and effectively which is what having tools is all about.

Looking at this screen capture can somebody explain how I can pick a reasonably good keyword from the list of returned keyphrases?

Is the number 9 good and 1 a bad choice due to popularity / competition? How would you spot an ideal longtail for your niche from the number(s) returned.

I appreciate I am probably completely missing the point here, and looking like a complete fool!, so a few tips would be received with enormous thanks  ;D

Ade

No, you are not missing the point - those are very good questions and I don't have the answers! A few points:
 - yes, as sublimus says, you can use WCA.

One of the points that WCA does, is it shows you the commercial intention, that is, how likely people are to BUY something with that particular keyword. I tried the "wordpress plugin form" on WCA and found that the commercial intention is very low, which means that people might be searching using that keyword but they are looking for FREE information or help. Of course, you can still use that keyword for an article that could attract attention.

Another point is, the competition (as you mentioned). Just because a keyword is ranked 9, doesn't mean competition will be low (or even vice versa). You can use Google keywords (free) to check out the level of competition for a keyword.

Someone else said (can't remember who, sorry) that you first need to decide WHAT business you are in.  That means not just taking a keyword and running with it, but looking for a group of keywords that fit into an area you are (or could be) interested in, for providing widgets to ell, or information, or reviews, or whatever.

Remember also, that you can take a number of keywords and spin them, which means you can write several articles (or spin several versions from one) and use different (but related) keywords in each one.

These are just my suggestions from reading and noting others' comments. I would be very happy to see more suggestions added to this.  ;D

Re: Sorry - Another Results Interpretation Question...
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2010, 05:16:16 PM »
@sublimus
@Meg

Many thanks for your help. I think the light bulb is starting to glow a little  ;D

Is the following somewhere near the mark?

* So really KS is a tool that shows what search terms are actually being searched for across the listed search engines.

* It has nothing, specifically at least, to do with identifying lucrative search terms based on competition and commercial viability. For this we need to use other tools whether it's WCA or Market Samurai or whatever.

* The value in KS lies in the fact that it goes beyond what the Google Keyword Tool is telling us and gives us actual search terms that we can use in our content to make it more relevant.

Thanks again,

Ade


Re: Sorry - Another Results Interpretation Question...
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2010, 06:59:04 PM »
{No, you are not missing the point - those are very good questions and I don't have the answers! A few points:
 - yes, as sublimus says, you can use WCA.

One of the points that WCA does, is it shows you the commercial intention, that is, how likely people are to BUY something with that particular keyword.}


OK, I guess I'm going to have to ask for a refund because from the video, I thought KWS would tell me what key words were winners. the question asked showing the screen grabs was exactly my question. To see the programmer state, "...and I don't have the answers!" And then lead in to another product just doesn't work for my way skeptical mind. But Hey, you did a great video and made a lot of money! Congrats... I think.

Feyaia (Back to the WA Books I should never have left.)

Re: Sorry - Another Results Interpretation Question...
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2010, 07:51:40 PM »
@feyaia

Thanks for your contribution to the thread but please understand that Meg is not the programmer and helps out big time around the forum from what I've seen.

Jonathan is the programmer and he doesn't bring out junk stuff just to make a buck like so many others so I will get to understand exactly how KS is going to benefit me and I know it will. I am not a Jon "groupie" and like anything else if KS is not as advertised I will ask for a refund but that's unlikely to happen here.

There is some good info in these threads and in case you missed it I noticed a post in another thread earlier on from RonnyG:

"Hey Guys and Gals,

I going to take one more stab at this issue (question)

Here is part of what I do:

 1. Usually I started with Micro Niche Finder and Google Ad words key word tool. I use these two to get my main key words...maybe about 5 or 10 that I think I can rank for. I set up my WP Blog and create some pages and post using these KW's. At this point I would start to write articles, squid lens to get link back to these 5 to 10 KW' pages and posts.

Now with KW Snatcher I would enter my main broad KW.  I then look at the list and start picking out the ones that make sense to write content and articles about.

I would go down the list till I had about 30 to 50! I would not be consumed with the rest of the list at this point. This is an action business and the idea is to get real work done and not over analyze the huge list. I would copy and past the list to note pad and mark the spot that where I stopped so I could come back later if I needed to...

now taking the list of 30 or so I would enter them in a Google search with quotes and see what the competition is like. For me I am looking competition less than 50,000 and my ideal number is less that 35,000.. Remember if there are many PPC ads there the key word is good.(I would not entire the entire 30 plus words only till I had a reasonable amount to work with for content) (remember this is an action business)

I would now inter them in Google KW tool or MNF or both and see what the numbers are for searches. Depending on what I am trying to accomplish I general will look for a kw that has more than 200 search's. However some times depending what the need for back links is I might even use go lower. Sometimes I will even use kw that show NED depending on what I need.

I think the main thing is to use common sense. Do try to use the entire list and analyze it.. This is not rocket science... You don't want to or need to be an engineer to use this list.  Get some kw that make sense do a quick few minutes to get some numbers and start writing content and articles. That my friends is what it's all about

Again this is my opinion and how I do it. This is a really great tool. I have no dog in this hunt.. Good Luck

Hope this helps
RonnyG "


This adds some more info on how to use KS.

Best of Luck,

Ade

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Re: Sorry - Another Results Interpretation Question...
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2010, 08:54:40 PM »

Is the following somewhere near the mark?

* So really KS is a tool that shows what search terms are actually being searched for across the listed search engines.

That is my UNDERSTANDING - yes.

* It has nothing, specifically at least, to do with identifying lucrative search terms based on competition and commercial viability. For this we need to use other tools whether it's WCA or Market Samurai or whatever.

I'll pass on this. Don't know!

* The value in KS lies in the fact that it goes beyond what the Google Keyword Tool is telling us and gives us actual search terms that we can use in our content to make it more relevant.

Yes, this is my UNDERSTANDING. (I could be wrong!) I think it goes far, far beyond Google keyword. I have spent many hours looking up google keyword for keyword search terms, checking out the searches and competition (which Jon has pointed out do not cover the full spectrum) then copying them into a spreadsheet, then looking up google trends to check out the trends for these. I never even got round to finding the same information from Bing, Yahoo, Ask and Amazon! For the tiny, one-off payment asked, I have already, just with a few searches done since I got the tool, exceeded all the information so laboriously gathered over many hours previously.

The one thing I miss is the "level of competition" given in the Google keywords tool, but it never gave me all the keywords I am getting now! And with so much less time and effort  ;D

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Re: Sorry - Another Results Interpretation Question...
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2010, 09:04:38 PM »

To see the programmer state, "...and I don't have the answers!" And then lead in to another product just doesn't work for my way skeptical mind. But Hey, you did a great video and made a lot of money! Congrats... I think.


I am not the programmer (as Ade has already pointed out - thanks)

I was NOT leading into another program - I was commenting on someone else's comment.

I am a user, like most of the others on here. As my sig says, my views are my views! they are just that - views. I can be wrong!  ;D And I am happy to learn from my mistakes and improve my understanding and my practical use of any of the tools I have purchased.

Re: Sorry - Another Results Interpretation Question...
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2010, 11:00:54 AM »
Hi you all,

Best I can figure for this tool is to use it for Latent Semantic Index (LSI) keywords for articles and content, because then something should hit when people do use the keywords in a search.

I'm well stumped on how to use the results, too.

 ;D