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Advice on web sites?
« on: April 15, 2013, 02:30:14 PM »
I have a long standing web site that is doing nothing. It was set up some years ago to sell products but the products are now gone although the web site is still standing and doing nothing. It is based on one of the "old" hosts, and it CANNOT have a word press blog set up on it (I have already asked). The domain name was provided along with the hosting - I know - mistake - but that's where it stands at present. Every page in the web site is indexed, though it's not high in the rankings. I have no problem redoing a web site (I have software that makes it easier) and I was going to keep all the same page names, to keep the indexing going.

I am considering what to do with this old web site and would appreciate any thoughts.

Currently, I am thinking of setting up a new Word press site (on a different host) with a different, though related domain name and using some articles from the new "ineedarticles" service to create the Wordpress site and to refresh the pages on the old site. I could set up some affiliate links from Amazon (or elsewhere) for similar products to what used to be sold and direct traffic from one site to the other.

Should I send traffic from the old web site to the new Word press blog or the other way round? Which direction would be better or should I not bother? I understand that affiliate links from Amazon should not go direct to an amazon page but to a web page? I would quite like to add google adsense to the new Wordpress site but would try to add it to the old web site if that were a better idea.

Anyone any ideas? Or just not bother?
Thanks for any comments.

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Re: Advice on web sites?
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2013, 03:12:55 PM »
Are the web pages currently on the 1st or 2nd page in Google?  Does the old site have many back links going to it?  You can use majesticseo.com to check but remember that majesticseo.com only shows about one-half of your back links.  And more importantly, does it have many different IP addresses pointing to it for the back links?

If the answers to these questions are no then I would evaluate it just as I would a new domain.  I would evaluate the keywords which are indexed to determine if they are worth pursuing.   If there wasn't much potential to the indexed keywords and the pages were not on the first or second pages of Google then I would try to sell the domain name and move on.

I would not place much value in just the pages being indexed as there are billions of pages indexed in Google and most of them are worthless as people will seldom see them.  The only place to be on Google is the first page.  The only good thing about being indexed on the second page of Google is that it is close to being on the first page and will take less work to make the first page, and then the first five positions on that first page.  :)

I do not understand why any host can not handle wordpress unless it is a Windows server.  I am not sure whether Window servers can handle wordpress.  It may be that they are running old servers that have too many accounts hosted on them so they can not handle the load that wordpress places on servers.  Wordpress is a resource hog, using a lot of disk space, cpu cycles and bandwidth so the older servers may have problems with it.

The web host should be willing to transfer the domain name to you since you bought it through them.  I would ask them to transfer to me as all that can happen is they transfer it to you or they tell you no.  If they refuse and they really can't handle wordpress then the domain name would need to be terribly valuable for me to stay with that host.
« Last Edit: April 15, 2013, 03:14:31 PM by edseward »

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Re: Advice on web sites?
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2013, 11:29:55 AM »
Are the web pages currently on the 1st or 2nd page in Google?  Does the old site have many back links going to it?  You can use majesticseo.com to check but remember that majesticseo.com only shows about one-half of your back links.  And more importantly, does it have many different IP addresses pointing to it for the back links?

If the answers to these questions are no then I would evaluate it just as I would a new domain.  I would evaluate the keywords which are indexed to determine if they are worth pursuing.   If there wasn't much potential to the indexed keywords and the pages were not on the first or second pages of Google then I would try to sell the domain name and move on.

I would not place much value in just the pages being indexed as there are billions of pages indexed in Google and most of them are worthless as people will seldom see them.  The only place to be on Google is the first page.  The only good thing about being indexed on the second page of Google is that it is close to being on the first page and will take less work to make the first page, and then the first five positions on that first page.  :)

I do not understand why any host can not handle wordpress unless it is a Windows server.  I am not sure whether Window servers can handle wordpress.  It may be that they are running old servers that have too many accounts hosted on them so they can not handle the load that wordpress places on servers.  Wordpress is a resource hog, using a lot of disk space, cpu cycles and bandwidth so the older servers may have problems with it.

The web host should be willing to transfer the domain name to you since you bought it through them.  I would ask them to transfer to me as all that can happen is they transfer it to you or they tell you no.  If they refuse and they really can't handle wordpress then the domain name would need to be terribly valuable for me to stay with that host.

Thanks Ed. It's not the advice I wanted  :( but maybe it's the advice I need to hear.  :o

I suppose I was saying that I could treat the "old" site as if it were new, because it's not banned or deindexed and I can create a website very quickly, as I am used to that particular host. I thought I could use the 2 sites to boost traffic in some way.

Re: Advice on web sites?
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2013, 01:04:12 PM »
just a quick one Meg

Before you do anything drastic please remember that wordpress is just a platform

Before wordpress, marketers built sites in html and, of course, google will still index html sites.
If the seo is done properly then they can still get to number 1 on google.

Without knowing the full facts it's very hard to give meaningful advice.

Just my thoughts
Eliot

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Re: Advice on web sites?
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2013, 01:06:16 PM »
just a quick one Meg

Before you do anything drastic please remember that wordpress is just a platform

Before wordpress, marketers built sites in html and, of course, google will still index html sites.
If the seo is done properly then they can still get to number 1 on google.

Without knowing the full facts it's very hard to give meaningful advice.

Just my thoughts
Eliot

Thanks Eliot.

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Re: Advice on web sites?
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2013, 02:16:13 PM »
Eliot,

She stated it was an old site that was doing nothing while it was costing her money to keep.  She stated the host would not allow her to use wordpress and the host owned the domain name.

I recommended that she evaluate the site as if it was a new site and if it did not meet guidelines then it probably wasn't worth throwing more time nor money on it. If the host will not transfer the domain name to her, then it is never her site but the site of her host.  So the first thing I would do is ask the host to transfer the domain name to me so that I owned the site.

It is not a matter of it being html or wordpress, it is a matter of the site costing her money while earning her nothing.  Frankly I prefer to build html sites.  I build wordpress because I can rank them twice as fast now as I can a html site.

Up to 2010 I maintained around 800 sites at a time, which were a mixture of wordpress and html. I moved more to wordpress as html became harder to index.  In 2011 I dropped down to 500 sites as it is harder to take care of wordpress sites that it is to take care of html sites.  In 2012 I became too sick to work and currently only have 150 sites, of which on 11 are xSite Pro html sites.

I don't build xSite Pro anymore although I preferred html over wordpress.  I quit building xSite Pro sites when I found that I could rank a wordpress site twice as fast as I could a xSite Pro site.  So I went with the money, not with what I preferred doing.

I still state that Meg needs to evaluate the keywords of the site to see if they justify trying to get to the first page of Google and to check the indexed pages to see if they are on the first or second page of Google.

If they are not currently on the first and second pages of Google for the majority of the keywords and they are not easy or moderate keywords with a good payout then why waste time and money working on them.  Time is limited.  Spend it on something that has the potential to earn you money.  That is not hard for her to determine nor do I need to know more about her site to give her that advice.

If the site is not making money and has no potential to make money then it is time to move on.

edited for typo
« Last Edit: April 16, 2013, 02:18:43 PM by edseward »

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Re: Advice on web sites?
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2013, 11:08:06 PM »
Eliot,

She stated it was an old site that was doing nothing while it was costing her money to keep.  She stated the host would not allow her to use wordpress and the host owned the domain name.

I recommended that she evaluate the site as if it was a new site and if it did not meet guidelines then it probably wasn't worth throwing more time nor money on it. If the host will not transfer the domain name to her, then it is never her site but the site of her host.  So the first thing I would do is ask the host to transfer the domain name to me so that I owned the site.

It is not a matter of it being html or wordpress, it is a matter of the site costing her money while earning her nothing.  Frankly I prefer to build html sites.  I build wordpress because I can rank them twice as fast now as I can a html site.

Up to 2010 I maintained around 800 sites at a time, which were a mixture of wordpress and html. I moved more to wordpress as html became harder to index.  In 2011 I dropped down to 500 sites as it is harder to take care of wordpress sites that it is to take care of html sites.  In 2012 I became too sick to work and currently only have 150 sites, of which on 11 are xSite Pro html sites.

I don't build xSite Pro anymore although I preferred html over wordpress.  I quit building xSite Pro sites when I found that I could rank a wordpress site twice as fast as I could a xSite Pro site.  So I went with the money, not with what I preferred doing.

I still state that Meg needs to evaluate the keywords of the site to see if they justify trying to get to the first page of Google and to check the indexed pages to see if they are on the first or second page of Google.

If they are not currently on the first and second pages of Google for the majority of the keywords and they are not easy or moderate keywords with a good payout then why waste time and money working on them.  Time is limited.  Spend it on something that has the potential to earn you money.  That is not hard for her to determine nor do I need to know more about her site to give her that advice.

If the site is not making money and has no potential to make money then it is time to move on.

edited for typo

Sound and sensible advice. Thanks. I need to look at this in a business-like fashion and weigh up the pros and cons.

Re: Advice on web sites?
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2013, 08:29:43 PM »
Nice information. Have heard a lot about the s.e.o marketing and by reading such information i think i must look for more information regarding this.

Re: Advice on web sites?
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2013, 06:11:30 PM »
How about doing manual submission instead? You can just start working on your website to pr with high pr so optimize your pages.