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Need answers from Jon
« on: October 18, 2012, 09:44:52 PM »
Dear Jon,

I'm writing to you here, because hope that I can get an answer directly from you. I'm using many tools of you (1WL, 3WL, TBS, Article builder, Keyword Canine), because always when a new tool is comming then it's being told then it will give me a great help for SEO. Actually I have 50 sites and earn 6-7 USD per day, 200 USD per month (this is the sum for all 50 sites). If you count it then will see that I spend more on all tools / content / domains then I earn.
To make it short, I need 2 things from you.

1. Please check the support ticket 37265 on askjonleger.com and help finding a solution for my problem.

2. Please make a recommendation on what blueprints to follow. I know RNP and started to use that, but my problem that nobody confirmed that I'm doing the right way and this possibly will cause that I'm just wasting time. I have collected several keywords what I would start with and analyzed as Josh told, but need a human confirmation that it's not waste to build these sites and I'm on the right track.

I hope you answer here and can help. If not then I possibly stop using these great tools and doing SEO.

I hope that You are here to help!

Thank you in advance!
Peter

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Re: Need answers from Jon
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2012, 11:06:00 AM »
Hi Jon,

Can you help me with answering?

Thx.
Peter

Re: Need answers from Jon
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2012, 03:34:24 PM »
Hi Jon,

Can you help me with answering?

Thx.
Peter


Peter, I'm not Jon but I can feel your pain. What I've been learning.. and this may be very hard to swallow for many people.. is this: NOTHING.. let me say that again.. NOTHING, beats paid advertising. A friend of mine, who shall not be named here, recently drove 1,000,000 targeted viewers to his web page in three days. Another fellow did the same thing in one day! Nearly killed his server and his account!! How did these guys do this you ask? Only paid advertising can get results like this.

You have 50 sites earning $200 a month when one site can earn you a TON of money if you learn how to properly apply paid advertising. I am not in a position to teach this.. maybe some day I will be, just not now. However, this "tip" can save you many, many frustrating hours trying to out fox the biggest fox of them all.. and you know who I mean... Google.. in a game where they hold all the cards. I woke up to this truth the day I gave Google the finger! 8)

When you free yourself of ANY search engine results you shall be free grasshopper.
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Re: Need answers from Jon
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2012, 10:20:22 PM »
However, this "tip" can save you man

Thank you for answering! I have never tried paid advertising, but what you wrote makes me interested. Do you have any recommendations what book read as a starter? you might send it in pm if you think.

Anyway my problem is that sometimes support for JL products are pretty bad and here is a forum where you can ask Jon and now answer. All e-mails of Jon says: I'm here to help. Where? This is why I have opened this topic...

Anyway all suggestions you can share are very interested by me!

Thx.
Peter

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Re: Need answers from Jon
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2012, 11:59:50 PM »
schmip, here's the thing. Jon and his support team are, in my experience pretty, much on the ball but they can not tell you how to plan, set up and run a business. They can't recommend a business model (well they could but it is well outside their purview and given other constraints could not be considered likely to be the best advice you could get).

As a person wanting to start an online business venture of some kind it is you who needs to make the basic choices that fit your personal style, your life goals, your skill set and other resource constraints. There is no one best choice, no 'one size fits all' solution, no matter what various folks with stuff to sell you might want you to believe.

So, here's the best advice I can offer to you, schmip, from a bloke who back in 2005 sat down and made some choices about life to a bloke who is, in 2012, about to do the same.

1) Sit down and think what you want from your life, not in terms of money but in terms of lifestyle. How will you work, how much will you work, where will you live, what car will you drive, what kind of home will you live in? Getting a handle on these issues will enable you to, at the very least, make choices as to the form of your business that are compatible with your life goals. Remember that if you start to build a business that is not compatible with your overarching life goals then your business will fail. No if's and's or but's here!

2) Having considered the shape of your business do some research, go out and find examples of businesses that seem to fit your requirements. When you have a business model sorted do some more research because now you are going to make a business plan and you are going to write it down and keep it available for reference. Your business plan is like a road map. Your business plan tells you and any other stakeholders (learn about this word and concept - it is very important) where you are going, how you are going to get there and the resources that you will need on your journey. Your business plan is a living document, it will change but it should never be discarded.

3) Start to work the plan. Implement the choices you have made. Be ready to work hard and learn lots. Consider each choice you make in the context of how well and how much it will move you toward your goals.

Understand this: according to my recollection of some survey or other, over 95% of those who claim to be 'internet marketers' are not making the same claim 12 months later. Only 1% will ever make more money than they did doing their normal job.
I don't know, but I will stake my insert something big and important here that almost all of those who stay the course followed the steps above and almost all of those who dropped out did not.

Oh, one more very important thing that has stuck with me over several decades of working for myself in various forms: Don't try to ride two horses at once! When I started working toward a full time online business format I made an early choice about the core concept of the business and while the appearance of my business has changed and my revenues have gone up and down the core concept has stood me in good stead and drives my current operations.
I won't share my concept, but think of it as being like the anchor that keeps a ship from being blown onto the rocks in a storm. Find one for yourself and stick with it as your business changes, grows, goes forward (and sometimes backward) and you will find your journey a little easier.
If this is an odd thing, have a look at some 'big company' mission statements because if done right that is what a mission statement is. ;)

Haz fun! If you stick the course and are cut out for running a business online then you will find the process and life enjoyable and challenging and maybe, just maybe you will get to live the cliche, working while sitting next to your swimming pool, or while sitting on the beach.

Re: Need answers from Jon
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2012, 01:03:58 AM »
However, this "tip" can save you man

Thank you for answering! I have never tried paid advertising, but what you wrote makes me interested. Do you have any recommendations what book read as a starter? you might send it in pm if you think.

Anyway my problem is that sometimes support for JL products are pretty bad and here is a forum where you can ask Jon and now answer. All e-mails of Jon says: I'm here to help. Where? This is why I have opened this topic...

Anyway all suggestions you can share are very interested by me!

Thx.
Peter
Peter, I wouldn't be too hard on Jon. He's a very busy guy and sometimes we forget this. Over all, Jon's been there for us and that has to weigh in for something, right? Your question is of course an important one but remember, ultimately we are all responsible for our own success. As for traffic .. it's a fascinating subject btw .. get on the list at High Traffic Academy .. just Google for it. And whenever the doors open again.. which they do from time-to-time, don't walk .. RUN. Vick knows his stuff and you will not be disappointed with the information he passes on.  ;)
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Re: Need answers from Jon
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2012, 09:02:42 AM »
Hello, Peter!

My situation is a little similar. I make nearly USD 700.00 monthly (my best month: USD 1,000.00) and I have around 50 domains (and several subdomains).

My current conclusions:

* It's better to invest time and effort in few authority websites than too many mini sites. Now, I'm, slowly, deleting "non-profit blogs";
* SEO is good, but you should focus on producing content, when using authority website strategies;
* I outsource some content production, but I review it in order to guarantee quality. And I use some spinning techniques to generate more content, but I don't usually auto-spin it.

I bought several tools, but I use mainly: The Best Spinner, Jiffy Articles, Thrifty Content and Instant Article Wizard, but I don't use them in "default way", I mean, like many marketers use.

I hope to reach USD 1,000.00 monthly again until march (unfortunately, December and January are "terrible monthes" for my business).

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Re: Need answers from Jon
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2012, 11:20:08 AM »
Guys, it is very great fun to play with toys and tools but unless you have designed a business you will fail to succeed. There's a host of different ways to earn money online and each person who has made some little success will happily share and tell you 'this is best' but the truth is that even if that person attains his goals that route to success suits only one person and only one business.

So far we have entirely different and largely non-compatible 'systems' offered but none of us know if either is appropriate for the original poster, or even if viable for the people who suggested them.
Until the OP knows what he wants and what his resources are he can't make a reasoned decision - no matter what suggestions are tabled.

Re: Need answers from Jon
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2012, 04:25:25 PM »
The beauty of paid advertising is there is no limit to it! Google can't ruin your day suddenly (and they will) when THEY decide to make changes that exclude all the hard work you've put into your sites.

Another point to be made is this: when you want lots of traffic.. BAM! It's there! And if you have a well tested offer (meaning 3 successful small test ads) you can always scale up as your profits allow for it.

Point three: without a list.. you really don't have a business.. at least, nothing you can count on. ALL the big guys have a list.. it's as simple as that. With a list you can sell and sell and sell. Without that list, that link to your customers.. you have nothing.  8)
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Re: Need answers from Jon
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2012, 04:54:16 AM »
Tradeview, your post above shows the reasons why one needs a business plan and how making choices about one's business without planning leads to trouble.

It'd be wrong to knock paid advertising, it certainly is effective in the right context, but in the wrong place can be big trouble. I don't know what you have done in this regard apart from seeing others use paid ads but too much traffic can be as bad as too little. Making sure that the traffic is accurately targeted and thus efficiently purchased is a whole other skill.
For myself, I'd not want to use paid ads for what I do and, when I was doing a lot more affiliate marketing than I do now it'd not have been a viable option for what I was doing, but maybe if I were promoting Acai Berry drinks it'd have been different. ;) 

Also, I have never run a mailing list apart from dealing with current clients but communication has never been an issue. While working in this way I have been the top affiliate for some high value, high cost promotions and never sent out an email. Indeed my strategy worked on the premise that email is actually a VERY bad way to sell stuff. ;)
There's a whole training course to be made in that topic. ;)
Thing is that building a list is a separate business activity to selling stuff.
Oddly enough, list building is an activity where I'd consider paid advertising to be a very worthwhile activity.

I am not knocking list marketing, it has a place, is a low cost, but low efficiency, way to get money. Also, in order to make much you need a lot of people. Experts suggest revenues per month of about $1 per list member which sound good until you figure in the cost of getting those members.

So, if one designs one's business around these options and factors in the advantages and disadvantges then everything is great. Choosing them coz some other bloke makes money at it is not so likely to work.



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Re: Need answers from Jon
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2012, 10:12:57 AM »
schmip, here's the thing. Jon and his support team are, in my experience pretty, much on the ball but they can not tell you how to plan, set up and run a business. They can't recommend a business model (well they could but it is well outside their purview and given other constraints could not be considered likely to be the best advice you could get).

Hi Andrew,

Thank you for answering. My problem is that Jon is showing that these tools should be used for automation and running many sites. Like 3WL has option to setup 50 sites. Why it has this option? I think to have 50 sites. Not?

If I buy all tools of Jon and doing what is suggested by him and that is not working and I ask in this form (Ask Jon...) then I expect an answer. Also all e-mails from Jon ends "I'm here to help". His support is just not helping and didn't see answer from Jon. Why should I pay 100s of dollars every month, just to have fun and earn nothing???

Anyway thank you for answering, I'm happy to see somebody is reacting!!!
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Re: Need answers from Jon
« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2012, 10:14:38 AM »
High Traffic Academy
Thank you! I'll check and follow it!!!
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Re: Need answers from Jon
« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2012, 10:16:23 AM »
My situation is a little similar. I make nearly USD 700.00 monthly (my best month: USD 1,000.00) and I have around 50 domains (and several subdomains).

Thank you Olvarno! I'm very intersted what blueprints or ebooks you follow to build your sites? I'm happy to read new things and try these.

Thank you.
Peter

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Re: Need answers from Jon
« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2012, 11:31:08 AM »
schmip, eachpurchase that you make is an individual choce that should be made in the context of your overall business plan. I can safely say that not all his products/services are appropriate for all businesses but only by having a clear understanding of what your business is can you make good choices.

Jon DOES help a lot but his ability to provide individual responses to individual business case queries is extremely limited - that applies to most of us who work in this area of commerce.

As to why 3WL has the capability to support 50 sites, well, that's easy. Many, if not most folks who have a toe hold in online sales (internet marketing) have a bevy of sites that need care and attention so it makes sense to have a limit higher than one or two sites.

When I am advising people about starting their online biz I often say that even if the final esult of the busienss does not require having a load of sites that in almost all cases building and running a network of sites is pretty much a prerequisite of success - there's a load of reasons why this is true. Some folks end up closing down their networks, others maintain them for many years as other parts of their business develop and grow.

I can't think of anyone I know who makes a decent full-time living online who does NOT have a network of silent salesmen working for them. ;)

Re: Need answers from Jon
« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2012, 07:44:02 PM »
Tradeview, your post above shows the reasons why one needs a business plan and how making choices about one's business without planning leads to trouble.

Absolutely, one needs a business plan. Without a list you have no way of keeping in touch with your customers! Back in the 70's and 80's I did mail order. The thing about mail order is this.. you never strive to make money on the initial sale. The money is ALWAYS made on follow up sales. The same thing applies to IM. Only problem is, most people doing affiliate marketing are leaving a lot of money on the table when they do not build their list(s). That is NUMBER ONE in a truly successful business plan. Relying on Google for your success is, in my opinion, a fool's game. Everyone is working to be number one for this and number one for that.. then whenever Google FEELS LIKE IT, you can be shoved to the bottom of the pack.. maybe even out of the barn altogether. That is a recipe for disaster.

Now I know those folks selling SEO plans and products don't like to hear it, but again... ALL OF THE BIG MONEY MAKERS IN IM BUILD LISTS.. every single one of them. But these are not lists of every tom-dick-and-harry.. obviously. I assumed people here would understand that.. these are highly FOCUSED LISTS and only paid advertising can build these lists quickly. But you MUST know what you are doing by doing exactly what we've done in mail order... test, test, test. And you can do this for very low costs if one educates oneself in where to look. 

Now can you make money by building web sites, going for a few bucks here and there, relying on Google. YES! One can. But it takes a long time and the results are often times disappointing at best. And it takes a lot of work to get your site up in the rankings. Once there, you have no guarantee if you will make money or not. Plus the fact that so many people these days are looking for a way to "trick the search engines" with various linking programs and black hat script-o nonsense that only make the promoters money and not the webmasters.

Contrast that with paid advertising. For about $25 you can run a small test to see if your offer has pulling power. For less then $200 you can put your ad before a million people. First, does your offer break even on your ad? If not, then you probably should work on your approach or find another offer. But you'll learn this in a matter of days, not months.

In stock investing your initial goal is to 'test the water' before you jump in. You take a third of your investment capital to do this. IF all goes well, you add maybe half of the remainder.. you buy more stocks. Then if everything continues to look good.. meaning you would still buy that stock at its higher price.. you put the final portion in. IF, two out of three stocks prove to be winners.. even small winners.. you're making money. The same thing applies to buying advertising. Your initial goal is to find an offer that has buyer's appeal. You've worked up a careful approach and you've tested it several times. Then you scale up, buy more ad space. Always building your list as you go. That list then IS your business.. it can be everything if it is well cultivated with names of people who want what you are offering. THAT is a business model that has taken people from scratch to million-dollar affiliates (vs the nickle and dimes approach so often recommended).

But the really, really good news is.. most people are stuck on trying to get free traffic! Which means the field for the paid advertiser is wide open to exploit. Particularly if he or she goes offline to promote their product/services which are online. 8)

PS: A good example of what I am saying here is found in Jon's work on his new search engine. He, just like Google, with a push of a few buttons, can erase your listings in his search engine. BUT, if you've never relied on these listings in the first place.. maybe took them with a grain of salt.. no harm done.. "life is good".
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