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Kicked Out of Squidoo
« on: May 20, 2013, 06:54:29 AM »
 :( Posted an article I got from AB which was deleted from squidoo due to high amount of duplicate content. Just checked with new copyscape account and found that the article returned 34 examples of duplicate content, now whilst the highest was 22% as I looked at the examples it was all different txt that was duplicate meaning that almost the wholes article could be found in other places.

So how about some help here,

> just where is it safe to use these articles?

> whats the best way to use this tool or have I just arrived too late and wasted my money?

All help and suggestions appreciated>

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Re: Kicked Out of Squidoo
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2013, 09:26:27 AM »
I imagine that people are hammering Squidoo with this content and just as WP.com had to do they close it down.
I assume that you were posting manually to Squidoo, not through any automated posting tool?

As always I'd suggest to you that it is almost always a mistake to rely upon somebody else's site as a place to build your online business. I'd also suggest that it makes sense to keep as much as possible of one's link building under one's own control.

Re: Kicked Out of Squidoo
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2013, 10:08:44 AM »
Squidoo has undergone massive changes the past month or so and they have become uber strict. They have been purging lenses and account holders like crazy in an effort to regain some of the good standing they have lost with google over the past 6 months. Google has been sending them less traffic, and now they are totally overacting (IMHO) and are "cutting to deep".

Anyhow - that said, their policy has always been that they only accept copyscape passing articles and their internal algo will find those article that don't pass.

Also, they have recently made the change that outbound links are now nofollow, so getting a link from them is less attractive.

Squdioo had changed a lot - they only want first person content - it is hard to get a lens to stick there otherwise

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Re: Kicked Out of Squidoo
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2013, 01:48:06 PM »
Darren, that just confirms it - a business built upon foundations of sand is not a very secure business. We need to be concentrating upon developing our own properties wherever we can.

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Re: Kicked Out of Squidoo
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2013, 09:17:08 PM »
It could also be because the articles are just collections of tips instead on normal keyword article.  However AB articles still work with SENuke in building Web 2.0 back link sites or at least they did two weeks ago.  I have been too sick the last week to do anything so I can't speak as of the last week on anything.

Re: Kicked Out of Squidoo
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2013, 06:59:51 AM »
Just back from a little holiday > Thanks for comments on these issues, seems that it is now going to be very very difficult and time consuming to try and build a website which will make some monies.

I agree with most comments but it does seem that for affiliate marketing, taking a product from Clickbank for example, all the articles on AB will fail copyscape, as they are all used so many times by so many people.

I certainly cant see any way a "new" product will be a category on AB so only way to get articles will be to become expert on lots of subjects or spend lots of monies buying articles.

SO will one will need to spend a fortune on Articles or somehow find the time to write many articles on many subjects, a daunting task.

My website is 100% copyscape passed but after writing about 26 articles on a clickbank product I am exhausted and all out of writing ideas which left me trying AB ones on web 2.0's, even at that the ones I have had passed including Ezine have not yet produced a link.

I am in a circle of despair and seem to just get one thing sorted when along comes an upgrade and I need to dig deep to try again and now find that writing so much for so few links is going to be impossible.

If I had an option I would just pack it in, but with no chance of ever getting a job again I will continue to try this and no doubt continue to fail but its better than sitting about doing nothing.

Anyone comes up with solutions to the content issue please let me know.

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Re: Kicked Out of Squidoo
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2013, 08:17:17 AM »
I agree with most comments but it does seem that for affiliate marketing, taking a product from Clickbank for example, all the articles on AB will fail copyscape, as they are all used so many times by so many people.

You stated in your original post that the highest amount of duplicate content was 22%.  22% duplicate content is not that bad a ration of duplicate to original content.  That means that 78% of that article was considered by copyscape to be original content.

You will not have problems with Google for content that is 78% original, nor with content that has even less original content than that amount.  Even through Copyscape found 34 sites that had small amounts of duplicate content you can not consider these article have "failed" Copyscape since the majority of articles list in Google will contain some amount of duplicate content.

From what I have seen it is "unatural" to find an article that is 100% original content because all articles in a given niche about any topic will have some words that will be found in all articles.  Now I have sites that contain 100% original content, the articles on these sites were artificially created, as I used DupeFree Pro and Copyscape to remove all phrases and words that were found in other articles on the web.  In Google eyes these articles would probably be considered "unnatural", since special steps had to be taken to ensure there were no duplication of content between these articles and other articles on the internet.

I consider anything that is 60% original to be acceptable for the majority of the articles on my site.

I believe you are trying to compare apples and oranges here where you are talking about AB and Squidoo.  Darren state that Squidoo was burnt by Google and is trying to regain their rankings with Google.  That means the articles are probably being read by human readers before being accepted.  He also stated that Squidoo wants articles to be in the first person.

AB articles generally will have problems with any site that is reviewed by a human reader.  This is not due to duplicate content but the way the articles are created.  Thousands of independent tips are written and saved in a database.  These tips are pulled from the database in a random order and used to create an article of the requested size.  Most of these articles are written in the third person.

So if Squidoo is looking for articles in the first person then AB articles will not be accepted by them.  If the site is being reviewed by a human reviewer who is looking for keyword based articles where the article is centered around one keyword then a tip based article will not be accepted by them.  A tip based article that is randomly generated will contain a collection of paragraphs that are not tied together around one keyword. 

AB articles are useable on most web sites as long as they are not the only articles on the web site.  In my opinion you should have 8-10 articles that are  written for that webs site and be posted in the Page section of the site. One of these "Pages" should be selected as the home page.  Then you can use AB articles as filler articles for the site to "fluff" up the content on the site and show posting activity of new articles every one-three days.  These AB articles should be posted in the "Post" section of the web site.

Google will be very happy with this type of site and rank them high if you also do adequate link building for the site.  AB articles are perfect for link building as they will be accepted on the majority of sites that receive them.  I use software to build my backlinks.  AB articles are the content that I used on the back link sites.  I have not had any problems with using AB to build these back links.

This is a long answer to just one part of your post.  But I don't believe that because Squidoo no longer accepts AB articles means that AB articles are not worth using.

Also I note that you did not answer the question as to whether you used auto-posting" for the articles or whether you manually posted the articles.  That could also have made a difference in what happened.

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Re: Kicked Out of Squidoo
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2013, 10:04:43 AM »
Ed is spot on here. On almost al the sites we make and sell we use ArticleBuilder and other content. We have no problems with indexation. A few years ago we used to post unique content to pages, as Ed suggests. We found it was a very good way to show search engines what the site was about. These days we use 'sticky posts' which, for best effect should be unique and on niche affilaite sites should be a presell to the featured product, or at least an introduction to the content and theme of the site. We also add in syndicated content, complete articles that with the other content provides a 'balanced diet'. Obvioulsy not all this contnet is unique, but it really does not matter, it is about providing reader value.

Unique content is a rabbit hole down which too many (often newbie) marketers fall, never to return. Uniqueness at the expense of quality is not a deal worth making.

Overall the landscape is changing. I think that the link inflation that has been going on for several years is coming to an end and soon we will see that fewer links but from credible sites and pages will be effective. Alongside this will be a move back toward using our own sites as networks. Those who have been around for a while will remenber how it used to be that a large proportion of our links were built from sites that we made and controlled ourselves. The free ride of what we used to call 'parasite hosting' is coming to an end.

I reckon that I will be using ArticleBuilder for a long, long time, don't forget that the same basic principles were in place in AB in its first incarnation back in 2007 and I know that syndicated content mixed with uniqueifying tips is as effective now as it was back then. The 'hyper uniqueification' that we see in the current version is going to be safe for a long time because, in the scheme of things, the number of AB articles on the internet is tiny and the search engines have much bigger and nastier targets to go after.


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Re: Kicked Out of Squidoo
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2013, 10:39:14 AM »
I reckon that I will be using ArticleBuilder for a long, long time, don't forget that the same basic principles were in place in AB in its first incarnation back in 2007 and I know that syndicated content mixed with uniqueifying tips is as effective now as it was back then. The 'hyper uniqueification' that we see in the current version is going to be safe for a long time because, in the scheme of things, the number of AB articles on the internet is tiny and the search engines have much bigger and nastier targets to go after.

Since I bought the lifetime membership I hope to be using it for a very long time. :)

Re: Kicked Out of Squidoo
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2013, 03:17:41 AM »
WOW you guys sure take you time and provide some really detailed responses.

What I am doing now is building a small network of Tier 1 sites, all linked to my site, I am testing these to see which one AB articles are accepted.

Squidoo may have been extreme who knows not me until I test.

I am rewriting articles into my own words, sometimes takes 30mins sometimes a couple hours depends on how many I have done as it gets difficult to even "think" original as there is only so much you can say about some clickbank products.

All that I rewrite are coming out 100% on Copyscape and this is all that is going on my money sites, very lose term money site but one day i might make some who knows!
using AB for link building

I am looking to get a VPS with SENuke XCR so that I can use AB for some second tier linking and in some cases will be able to use direct to the money site.

AB will save me a lot of time and will always enable me to churn out "new" articles with a bit of work so I am a convert to the tool.

Still a lot I dont know and I struggle with this causing me to procrastinate all the time, I dont know the best theme, so many people using so many different ones, one with full article on page that changes one with just thumb nails and one with static front page just so much to test.

The suggestions given will help me with the design of my site and also with some extra content by using AB and syndicated articles to add to the side. Not sure where to get syndicated but looks like a good idea.

Sticky on front will need to be good is there a place to get a really good design and write up for these without breaking the bank?

Not sure the best way to do social now, so many people selling plugins or even one  email selling it as a service at $197 per month. When I see these types on monies for services it makes me feel very low and demotivated, when you are not making a penny and others are paying $197 for social maybe $147 for senuke and many other servcies including the article writing ones on here it is mind boggling and cause some knee jerk reactions.

They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing and perhaps it is true as it could be a danger to my fragile wallet.

Thanks for all the info. :)


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Re: Kicked Out of Squidoo
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2013, 02:30:09 PM »
I own a lot of themes but I stopped buying the latest, greatest a few years back and Artisteer to create my own themes.  There was a learning curve but it was worth it.  Now every theme is unique for the human viewers.

I use a static front page, one that sets the theme of my site.  I use an original article written about the site keyword.  I post this in the Pages sections.  I then add additional original or semi-original articles that I also add to the Page section of WordPress.  Once I have the site established I use posts and AB to provide content to keep the list fresh and updated.

Other people do it differently.  Those big paychecks come and go.  When they go you must scramble to find the next great item to reestablish them.  I have earned a living online since 1996.  But I have not done the same thing every year to earn that living.  Last year I became ill and was unable to work much so my online income dropped.  This year I am still fighting the illness so I am in the red so far this year. 

That happens.  You can't let it get you down, you just keep studying and improving as you learn.  The only tip I can give you is not to follow all the "experts" and buy their high price products.  Nor buy all the latest and greatest products you are offered.

I had to buy a lot of them in the past as research for what I was doing.  Most of them were junk and most of what is offered today is junk.  Fortunately I no longer need to buy these products to test as I am doing something different today, when I am well enough to work.

So find your niche and work on it until you become a real expert at it.  This will make you the most money long term.


Re: Kicked Out of Squidoo
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2013, 10:20:06 AM »
Squidoo has become increasingly under pressure from Google by the looks of it.  I doubt it's direct contact from Google but they can see the writing on the wall.

I've had 100% unique lenses recently get taken down.  These lenses included images, great content and well researched information.

But, as Andrew said when you do not own the property you're t their mercy.

In the next few weeks I guarantee they will step up the slap down there on spun content as well as unique content that isn't serving their purposes.

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Re: Kicked Out of Squidoo
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2013, 02:11:34 PM »
This is why I buy my domains and have my own hosting.  I have never used any of the services that provide hosting free as they can take your sites down at anytime.

And if you are using their urls instead of having a domain name it can be difficult to recover what you lose when they shut you down. 

If you buy the domain name you are establishing your own brand for that site and your own position in the search engines.  You might lose it but it will not be due to some third party deciding to take it away from you.  If you feel you can not survive without them then build your site on your domain on your hosting and create feeder pages on them to your sites.  Then if they shut down a feeder page you still have the main site with it's ranking.

This is also why you should not just concentrate on Google as your only search engine.  I earn more money from traffic from Bing than Google.  The #1 position on Bing will not earn as money as the #1 position on Google but it is not as hard to achieve nor has Bing acted in the arbitrary manner that Google so often does when it comes to ranking sites.

Re: Kicked Out of Squidoo
« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2013, 01:12:45 PM »
hey edseward was trying to check out links under your post with no success whats the position with them?


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Re: Kicked Out of Squidoo
« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2013, 01:46:24 PM »
If you mean they are not click-able links then your are right. I did not make them click-able, I guess I should have set it up that way.  If you can even make the links click-able, I have never tried to do so so it might not be possible.  :)

If you mean the sites were not online when you checked then I don't know.  I just checked and both sites are working.